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I just finished Game of Thrones, and i was so sad that my favorite chick died. So i decided that I should make her into a card. So tell me if there are any errors and such. She is basically a rogue stealer, maybe she seems underpowered but trust me she can really destroy some decks that I made, with my upcoming set.

 

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Update: Added Jon Snow, also fixed little text glitches.



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Well I don't watch GoT and never will, but I can still help with R&D card balance. 

 

For Ygritte

 

First ability: I think you meant: gain control of target rogue creature

 

Second ability: Each player that owns a creature you control gains control of all Rogue creature you control that they own. 

(This is the only way I can think it could be worded,)

 

To make this more simple to understand I would go with this:

 

Soulbond

 

As long as Ygritte is souldbound with another creature, you control both creatures.

 

(Same exact effect, easier to understand)

 

She would actually devastate in the set I just created.....

 

Jon Snow: Did you mean until end of turn, or did you mean they get those buffs permanently


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Well I don't watch GoT and never will, but I can still help with R&D card balance. 

I said that two weeks ago, and then I watched first episode, after that my whole world changed. Give it a shot, it may surprise you.

 

As for Jon Snow, yeah i meant permanent, since he could be a creature to use late in game, to win. Not to just buff 2-3 creatures. But maybe i should lower the hexproof to only just one monster, all of them is just to OP. Now i realize it.

 

As for soulbond i don't understand how that work, I will have to research a bit on it and then fix the ability since it is messed up as it is now.

 

Anyway thank you on review.



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I just realized that soulbond wouldn't work sense you have to control both originally, So I would word it like this: When Ygritte enters the battlefield, choose a creature. As long as you control Ygritte, you control the chosen creature.

 

As for Jon Snow, I would word it as such:

 

Beserker creatures you control get +1/+1.

 

Rogue creatures you control have hexproof.

 

These are not, in my opinion, OP.



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For my opinion they should prob be white and black and even then they dont have very much black for john (for what i have seen in the show)



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Yup, I turned Jon into white creature, his effect implemented protection so he is white. As for Ygritte she should remain black. Also sorry for the spoiler about her death. She took an arrow, by a little boy :P



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Well that's not straight up and interpretable, i mean, I don't know Jon Snow but hexproof is a blue ability and giving +1/+1 to all creatures is white but also a little red. he's just fine as he is, but as far as what his colors are, i would go off his personality in the show itself, and how he acts.



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He is not evil, thats for sure. He was black cause he is a member of Nights Watch. But that is not a crusual factor. So he should be fine. Also hexproof is not only blue, it can be black or green aswell.

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Angelic Overseer White can have hexproof illuminacomfirmed



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In the case of Angelic Overseer the abilities are defined by its flavor, rather than its color.

Anyway, why don't you make Ygritte red? And Rogue or Archer instead of Berserker? Ain't Jon Snow more of a Warrior, than a Rogue?

Also you might consider making them Legendary Creatures.


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In the case of Angelic Overseer the abilities are defined by its flavor, rather than its color.

Anyway, why don't you make Ygritte red? And Rogue or Archer instead of Berserker? Ain't Jon Snow more of a Warrior, than a Rogue?

Also you might consider making them Legendary Creatures.

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Very important points,any color can have any ability based of what its feel, or personality, is. Every color has had hexproof, and every color has given a buff to a tribe. It's simply a matter of what Jon Snow's personality is- and legendary is a good idea. 



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I guess i could change them to legendary. But the main thing why i made Jon a rogue is that i wanted to group Night's Watch character as such. And as for berserkers I wanted to make wildlings to have their own "type". Also i may change Ygritte to Red. But her effect will probably stay, same as her type. I am not denying that she is a Archer its just that i wanted to group them.



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Well that just comfirmed the point that every color can have any keyword ability as long as it goes with the flavor (i never said that last 8 words but still XD)



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When designing characters like this as single cards you should always consider which characteristics to portray and the specific way you do it, especially if you design them as the part of a set.

For example most creatures of the Nightwatch, if put into MtG as a faction, would indeed be Rouges, so it would actually make sense for Jon Snow to buff them up, portraying his leadership within the Nightwatch, even though he himself is not that much of a Rogue.

But I really don't understand the choices you made for his abilities. First Strike does a good job here (after all, it is usually used to portray a creatures supreme agility and overall dexterity in combat, which is just about Jon Snows thing in general), but I neither get the Hexproof, nor the buff for Berserkers. Berserkers seem to be more a type for the wildlings, among which Jon Snow does not really fell that comfortable. It also just breaks too strong with the flavor and color alignment. Hexproof is a green or blue mechanic, while the colors you could assign a berserke too are black and red; It doesn't suit Jon Snow. Why doesn't he give other Rogues +1/+1, or maybe he shares his First Strike with them, maybe even both?

Ygritte's portrayal is kind of blunt. Sure she is the one starting to hook up with Jon Snow, but does that really allow for gaining control of ANY target Rogue? it's not like dating brothers of the Nightwatch is her hobby or something. Rather than that you could give her something like a "fights target creature"-ability etc Also Berserker is just not that much of a fitting creature type and with 2/1 she is by far too weak for her current cost.



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Basically what I did, is that i changed Jon to Red White, cause first strike is mainly red ability and white is his personality so i didn't want to change that. Also his ability's cost is somewhat hard to pay so he is not overpowered.

 

And then i made Ygrette to blue, since her effect is somewhat manipulative, so she now picks and breaks blokers, so i think she could be used to overcome some instances and to f*ck opponent. Correct me if i am wrong?  :D



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Jon Snow is close to perfect at this point; You could almost leave him at mono-white, but you need red to get the tie to the Rogue-Tribal (Black, of course, would be the even more fitting color for rogues, but that ain't the Snow).

Still have my problems with your Ygritte, though. You can assign blue to many parts of the GOT-universe and adding them to something beyond the wall is awesome, but more for something like the Others. Especially with Ygritte, blue  is just not a fit: Blue is manipulative, but not in Ygritte's way; If anything, her manipulations are red or black, with red being her dominant color. Red is the color of emotion, which is definitely her deal; She is passionate, a free spirit, an impulsive yet competent fighter and a tough survivor, of which only the free spirit-part fits blue. Blue is sneaky, usually avoiding direct confrontation unless knowing to have the upper hand. Also letting other creatures fight each other is not blue's thing. Thats some kind of provocation, taunting, or pitfighting, that belongs to green and red.



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I always enjoy reading you're analysis of color 5 sec of pure enjoyment



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I'm flattered.



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Took your advice again. Look at them now, they complete each other, red parts.

 

For Ygritte i decided to make her a hybrid, i for sure am starting to get carried away with these, they look so cool. And when I think about it, she is killing all mercilessly, except for Jon, with her arrows. So she should be a little black. Red is already explained by Exmortis, her passion. 

 

As for Jon, the reason why i think he should be white is that, he really cant blend in Night's Watch, at the beginning that is. He misses his family alot, that the book says. He later blends perfectly but i guess this is not a book four Jon. I may make a second version of him being black but who knows.



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Well actualy the night watch and the white color have allot of thing in common.






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